Well, I was born at Kirtland, New Mexico…. I was born in 1906. When I was about a year old, my parents lived with Grandpa McGee…. Grandpa, they called him Pappy McGee, and he had seven boys, and they always followed Pappy, all except two of 'em wouldn't go—the wives wouldn't let 'em. And they went to Idaho to clear land. And so we followed 'em up there, and my dad traveled with him until I was thirteen. And then that's when we came back to Kirtland. At first we went to Idaho, and then to Utah—Richfield—and done different things. And then he and the boys ran a moving picture theater in Richfield, when they just had the kerosene lamps around to show the light. And then he decided they'd go to Springdale, Utah, Zion's National Park. So by that time they had four children. We went up there, and there was no road at all, you know, going up to Zion's Canyon at that time. We went in a covered wagon, all of us. I can just see the horses today pulling 'em up over the heavy rocks. And when we finally landed in Springdale, Pappy McGee, my grandfather, was already there with his wife and a couple of the others. I remember so clearly that my mother got out of the wagon and looked all around, and she said, "Well, Elwood, all we need is a lid…"